tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post1221166737528516338..comments2023-10-06T11:13:20.836-04:00Comments on Izgad: Checklist of the FundieIzgadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-73386548878431157832009-12-22T19:29:12.592-05:002009-12-22T19:29:12.592-05:00Bray
You keep on stating your belief that God co...Bray <br /><br />You keep on stating your belief that God could have defined moral values any way he wished, but you dodge facing off against the consequences of that belief. When I confront the issue of Jews rioting in the streets, destroying traffic lights, stealing from the government, molesting children and pushing women to do sexual favors in order to get a conversion, I can take a hard lineIzgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-78500262314835192892009-12-22T18:49:43.874-05:002009-12-22T18:49:43.874-05:00Not in order to be in his club, but lishma, becaus...Not in order to be in his club, but lishma, because it is the right thing to do. All it takes is the transvaluation of values.<br /><br />IIRC Rav Chaim Brisker said that we only percive certain Mitzvahs to be rational because of <i>istakal b'oraysa u'vara ahlma</i> but in theory haShem could have crated a world in which gezel would accrue to qiyum HaOlam instaed of to Khurban HaOlam.The Bray of Fundiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552912825252813495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-84491880045758513392009-12-21T18:48:43.028-05:002009-12-21T18:48:43.028-05:00What if Satan was a kind decent angel, who believe...What if Satan was a kind decent angel, who believed in helping old ladies and all unfortunate people and God was a celestial Rabbi Leib Tropper? Would you agree to perform all the necessary special favors for our Tropper god and his friends in order to be allowed into his club?Izgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-74629330535310364832009-12-21T18:22:37.483-05:002009-12-21T18:22:37.483-05:00There is a more fundamental issue here. Say I give...<i>There is a more fundamental issue here. Say I give you your God and TMS. I could still go ethical Satanist on you and choose to rebel. I could decide that God exists but that he is an immoral tyrannical being</i><br /><br />I'd say you haven't given me enough. G-d is good. You want to have a semantical battle? Lets put it this way. If Satan is ethical and good then I'll be bad The Bray of Fundiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552912825252813495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-92341912601450312009-12-18T09:09:05.036-05:002009-12-18T09:09:05.036-05:00So Bray if God or your rebbe tells you: “take your...So Bray if God or your rebbe tells you: “take your president, your only one, that you love, Obama and go to the land of Moriah and bring him up as a burnt offering” do you get up in the morning and saddle your own donkey.Izgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-36628499024254749422009-12-18T00:38:17.348-05:002009-12-18T00:38:17.348-05:00You know, I actually don't have a problem with...You know, I actually don't have a problem with most of the stuff on this list. A lot of it actually has analogues in the common law.<br /><br />Regarding Euthypro:<br /><br />Defining morality by what G-d tells you is nice, because it makes things superficially easy - lots of bright lines. You don't have to worry about any issues of the day, or work out a comprehensive system of morality Vox Populinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-76475607237155019842009-12-17T15:26:14.156-05:002009-12-17T15:26:14.156-05:00“I see it as the very point itself. You presume th...“I see it as the very point itself. You presume that with exposure to more sources, more diligent and conceptual study and/or a spike in IQ we can discover the rational for all the Mitzvot. While there is a partial truth in this it is also true that with exposure to more sources, more diligent and conceptual study and/or a spike in IQ we can discover more and more that is irrational for many of Izgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-70841037061479503062009-12-17T12:28:36.907-05:002009-12-17T12:28:36.907-05:00I very much resent your chrachterization/ caricatu...I very much resent your chrachterization/ caricature of me as amoral.<br /><br />Although my masthead said that my blog was the home of the flaming diaper dialogue until a few weeks ago I do not foam at the mouth, condone violent hafganot or buy into the culture of ratcheting up khumros.<br /><br />While not a TK I am not a totally unletterd Jew. I am aware that the same Torah that features my The Bray of Fundiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552912825252813495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-72212403228299220122009-12-17T12:17:20.507-05:002009-12-17T12:17:20.507-05:00I am sure we could go back and forth about how to ...<i>I am sure we could go back and forth about how to understand Jewish law, but I see that as beside the point.</i><br /><br />I see it as the very point itself. You presume that with exposure to more sources, more dilligent and conceptual study and/or a spike in IQ we can descover the rational for all the Mitzvot. While there is a partial truth in this it is also true that with exposure to The Bray of Fundiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552912825252813495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-46594250129458734992009-12-17T12:16:59.246-05:002009-12-17T12:16:59.246-05:00Thank you for catching that.Thank you for catching that.Izgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-59261532195276736442009-12-17T12:12:19.880-05:002009-12-17T12:12:19.880-05:00drawing a distinction between knowing the rational...<i>drawing a distinction between knowing the rational behind something and believing that there is one even if it <b>alludes</b> you.<br /></i><br />typo or Freudian slip?The Bray of Fundiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552912825252813495noreply@blogger.com