tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post1879025587052250630..comments2023-10-06T11:13:20.836-04:00Comments on Izgad: Adam’s Rib and Anarchy: A Response to David FriedmanIzgadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-53768812627866859412010-07-21T21:37:56.995-04:002010-07-21T21:37:56.995-04:00Could you take me through the practical in and out...Could you take me through the practical in and outs of doing an investigation under your system? In our system we have extradition laws, but handling an international investigation is significantly more complex than regular investigations. Under your system we would expect investigations to regularly take on an extreme international character. A Nike man is murdered, the Nike police want to Izgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-77215536231078905522010-07-19T13:18:21.217-04:002010-07-19T13:18:21.217-04:00"if I understand you correctly (a big if I ad..."if I understand you correctly (a big if I admit) you would rely on the fact that customers have signed over arbitration agreements through their protection agencies and this will keep them from going vendetta. "<br /><br />It isn't their agreement that keeps them from "going vendetta," it's the same thing that keeps people in our society from doing so--the fact that David Friedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06543763515095867595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-33349125438481345192010-07-18T11:49:08.257-04:002010-07-18T11:49:08.257-04:00Jefferson made a mistake by suggesting that the Co...Jefferson made a mistake by suggesting that the Constitution should be scraped every few decades. The system works precisely because it cannot be changed on a whim. One of the great things about our Constitution is that it provides a balance between change and “absolute” authority. I am restrained from waging war against Barack Obama because I have a Constitution which cannot be changed at my Izgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-81204168237096727452010-07-18T11:40:03.351-04:002010-07-18T11:40:03.351-04:00Dr. Friedman
I could only wish that your system d...Dr. Friedman<br /><br />I could only wish that your system did work. I am not trying to fight you; please convince me that you are right and Nozick, Posner and Cowen are wrong. I would be free from the intellectual dilemma of my devil’s bargain with government. I have honestly tried to understand what you are saying about the relationship between your protection agencies and court systems. I do Izgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-47757951880268008772010-07-17T20:34:41.726-04:002010-07-17T20:34:41.726-04:00On the subject (later in your article) of the inna...On the subject (later in your article) of the innate authority of government, you might want to look at (if you haven't) Niven and Pournelle's _Oath of Fealty_. One of its themes, as I read it, is that an organization that provides the fundamental governmental functions, even if nominally private, will become the focus of the emotions we usually associate with government.David Friedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06543763515095867595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-5154413366243815172010-07-15T13:52:50.373-04:002010-07-15T13:52:50.373-04:00"I think it says something that you are not w..."I think it says something that you are not willing to face off against this question."<br /><br />There isn't a whole lot of point to arguing about how my system would work if you don't understand what the system is that I am proposing. And rewriting an explanation every time I have a conversation on the subject with a new person isn't a very efficient policy, given the David Friedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06543763515095867595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-7887829656421317792010-07-15T09:26:22.456-04:002010-07-15T09:26:22.456-04:00I hope you forgive me, but this is like jumping on...I hope you forgive me, but this is like jumping on someone for saying that American citizens vote for their president when anyone with a grade school knowledge of American government (or who went through the election of 2000) knows that you do not vote for the president, you vote for the party and their list of electors and the electors vote for president. People under your system may not be ableIzgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-5896145766162387932010-07-15T01:06:48.498-04:002010-07-15T01:06:48.498-04:00". Just like you buy a car with insurance you...". Just like you buy a car with insurance you can put yourself down for the Nike protection and the Pepsi court for arbitration. "<br /><br />You are still not understanding the system. The customer doesn't get to choose the court system--he can't, because a dispute involves (at least) two people, and there is no reason why they would happen to have chosen the same court.<br />David Friedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06543763515095867595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-9656221352539054242010-07-14T10:37:43.161-04:002010-07-14T10:37:43.161-04:00Dr. Friedman
I get the idea that we can have sepa...Dr. Friedman<br /><br />I get the idea that we can have separate agencies and separate courts that are not run by the same people, say protection agencies Nike, Reebok and Adidas, using the Pepsi and Coke court systems. I guess you would also be able to choose to live under say under a Sears or Wal-Mart code of law. Just like you buy a car with insurance you can put yourself down for the Nike Izgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-76515777571388674442010-07-14T10:11:15.796-04:002010-07-14T10:11:15.796-04:00When reading the account of Dr. Friedman's thi...When reading the account of Dr. Friedman's thinking, I was struck by the similarity to the position of Robert Nozick in Anarchy, The State, and Utopia. Both argue that protective agencies will be formed and that everyone is likely to join an agency. The difference between Friedman and Nozick is that Nozick comes to the conclusion that the agencies are likely to merge, leading to what he callsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-6225854801857639122010-07-14T00:25:48.035-04:002010-07-14T00:25:48.035-04:00"I understood your court systems as being, in..."I understood your court systems as being, in practice, an extension of your protection agencies, much as our police and courts are part of the same government. "<br /><br />That's a little like imagining that, since groceries are distributed by the grocery industry, you can think of groceries and farms as a single firm. The industry as a whole, if it were one firm, would raise David Friedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06543763515095867595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-67613202532282822862010-07-13T21:12:44.458-04:002010-07-13T21:12:44.458-04:00On a side note, have your read C. J. Cherryh Forei...On a side note, have your read C. J. Cherryh Foreigner series. It involves an alien planet that works similar to your system. There is not much of a formal government. Instead of courts there is this “assassin’s guild” for hire, which functions as an informal legal system. These aliens are fairly peaceful so I guess Cherryh would likely have some sympathy for your anarcho-capitalism.Izgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-46730828978206166702010-07-13T21:11:18.306-04:002010-07-13T21:11:18.306-04:00Dr. Friedman
It is an honor to be able to speak t...Dr. Friedman<br /><br />It is an honor to be able to speak to you. Thank you or making your book available on line; I really enjoyed it, particularly the third part. <br /><br />I understood your court systems as being, in practice, an extension of your protection agencies, much as our police and courts are part of the same government. As such I did not bother to clearly differentiate between Izgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-41306648225442115742010-07-13T19:19:11.540-04:002010-07-13T19:19:11.540-04:00I am glad you enjoyed the first two parts of my bo...I am glad you enjoyed the first two parts of my book, but you do not seem to have read the third part very carefully. Legal rules are not produced by rights enforcement agencies in the system I describe, but by the private courts that pairs of rights enforcement agencies agree to use. <br /><br />An agency doesn't have the option of offering hit men to its customers unless it either can get David Friedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06543763515095867595noreply@blogger.com