tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post2270284657973470594..comments2023-10-06T11:13:20.836-04:00Comments on Izgad: Maimon on Hasidim: Are Haredim Capable of Acts of Virtue?Izgadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-36850485223057541752010-02-21T08:34:09.778-05:002010-02-21T08:34:09.778-05:00I read the autobiography a few years ago when I di...I read the autobiography a few years ago when I did a paper on Maimon’s view of history. (I can post it or send it to you if you wish to see it.) I forget which editions I looked at. This post I wrote up while sitting in the Hebrew University library looking through the Mendes-Flohr source book for material to use for the Modern Jewish History course I am teaching. Seeing the Maimon quote gave meIzgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-41094561938470377482010-02-19T15:15:07.001-05:002010-02-19T15:15:07.001-05:00testtestJoels W. https://www.blogger.com/profile/07902859333047138964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-76433110747994074732010-02-18T18:48:59.766-05:002010-02-18T18:48:59.766-05:00Ben,
What edition of the autobiography did you re...Ben,<br /><br />What edition of the autobiography did you read?<br /><br />I see Yediot books published a good-looking edition recently http://www.ybook.co.il/htmls/%D7%97%D7%99%D7%99_%D7%A9%D7%9C%D7%9E%D7%94_%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9F.aspx?c0=20438&bsp=13484<br /><br />I might just order it.Joels W. https://www.blogger.com/profile/07902859333047138964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-5013945101421035392009-08-14T11:25:46.701-04:002009-08-14T11:25:46.701-04:00I am not a heretic. I just do not deal well with a...I am not a heretic. I just do not deal well with any type of hashkafic outlook that minimizes free choice.Miss S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10887805742474651903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-51040296074705880082009-08-14T11:06:48.670-04:002009-08-14T11:06:48.670-04:00There are quite a few of them out there. Some of t...There are quite a few of them out there. Some of them even operate blogs. For example there is our friend here Freelance, whom I have been talking to on this comments page. There is, just to name a few others, Jewish Philosopher (http://www.jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/), Daas Torah (http://daattorah.blogspot.com/) and the truly frightening Authentic Judaism (http://Izgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-71826320887264248292009-08-14T10:46:07.533-04:002009-08-14T10:46:07.533-04:00Ethical codes can be very useful if you know how t...<i>Ethical codes can be very useful if you know how to read them. You look at all the things they ban and assume that people are doing those things.</i><br /><br />Are you suggesting that there are haredim out there who are using the internet?Miss S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10887805742474651903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-5630121167645414212009-08-14T03:43:56.725-04:002009-08-14T03:43:56.725-04:00Let me get this straight. You are criticizing me b...Let me get this straight. You are criticizing me because I am willing to assume that our theoretical Haredi bikkur cholim person is a good Haredi and follows Haredi principles to the letter. You on the other hand still hold out hope that he is not really so frum. We are dealing in the world of theory here. In the real world, I grant you, people are complicated and act from a plethora of motives. Izgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-62566473730821124022009-08-14T03:06:59.242-04:002009-08-14T03:06:59.242-04:00"As a historian, though, I do have to come up..."<i>As a historian, though, I do have to come up with plausible suggestion as to the why of people’s actions. This means talking about motives and particularly primary motives.</i>"<br /><br />But you cannot intuit the primary motive of a real person in history (or current events) by just reading the source of his ethical code and assume he is feeling exactly what he is commanded to Freelance Kiruv Maniac (Mr. Hyde)https://www.blogger.com/profile/10298176204317506218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-21708165043695476202009-08-13T08:38:47.926-04:002009-08-13T08:38:47.926-04:00David, I grant you that people are complex and do ...David, I grant you that people are complex and do things for a variety of motives. I do not claim to be able to peer into people’s souls; I am a historian not a rebbe. As a historian, though, I do have to come up with plausible suggestion as to the why of people’s actions. This means talking about motives and particularly primary motives. Just to be clear, as a matter of chinuch, I am not averse Izgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-30461898697752731682009-08-13T07:06:48.339-04:002009-08-13T07:06:48.339-04:00I don't see how you can peer into their souls ...I don't see how you can peer into their souls and know how they feel just by reading their source of obligation.<br />Maybe the reward and punishment gets them going, but once they are actually involved, their humanity kicks in and are genuinely feeling for the other person?<br /><br />In general, I am wary about the philosophy of ethics. Why does there have to be an either/or type of Freelance Kiruv Maniac (Mr. Hyde)https://www.blogger.com/profile/10298176204317506218noreply@blogger.com