tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post2710145197615086435..comments2023-10-06T11:13:20.836-04:00Comments on Izgad: The Social Free Discourse of OpponentsIzgadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-25680351669384048542010-02-14T19:40:53.089-05:002010-02-14T19:40:53.089-05:00“I apologize for assuming you were unreasonable.”
...“I apologize for assuming you were unreasonable.”<br /><br />Thank you<br /><br />Laws on the books are important because they set a legal high ground. In the State of Israel you cannot simply refuse to let an Arab buy a piece of land with a straight face. A few years ago there was even a controversy over JNF, which buys land for the specific point of having Jews own the land, being allowed to Izgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-19586581853180950562010-02-14T19:02:59.948-05:002010-02-14T19:02:59.948-05:00>I would say that it is you who is not listenin...>I would say that it is you who is not listening. I told you from the beginning that I am having my students read counter arguments and that this assignment is only one small part of the entire course. Give me the benefit of the doubt or I might stop giving you the benefit of the doubt.<br /><br />Fair enough. You sound reasonable, and I apologize for assuming you were unreasonable. Although OTDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12284266882043971891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-37120393695356936422010-02-14T09:06:37.324-05:002010-02-14T09:06:37.324-05:00As to the issue of apartheid, I think you are bein...As to the issue of apartheid, I think you are being naïve about the charge of apartheid. I do not believe that Israel is perfect and am willing to acknowledge that it engages in discrimination. You have to ask why anyone who uses the charge of apartheid chooses those words instead of my formulation. (This is beside for the issue of why Israel is singled out of all states that engage in Izgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-4301618931064593982010-02-14T09:06:18.141-05:002010-02-14T09:06:18.141-05:00I will go down for the record here and do so when ...I will go down for the record here and do so when I am teaching about Israel, that Israel is hardly perfect when dealing when dealing with its Arab minority. This is something that Israel is going to have to continue to work on. Several years ago the Supreme Court ruled against discrimination laws in housing. Thankfully Israel, as a liberal democracy has the process for dealing with these issues.Izgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-32231773913895148362010-02-14T01:12:34.120-05:002010-02-14T01:12:34.120-05:00> it is unjust to single Israel out as a nation...> it is unjust to single Israel out as a nation-state when countries like France still maintain elements of a nation-state and even of a cultural religion. <br /><br />Yes, but cultural religion is not the same as legal religion. And especially laws that clearly discriminate against those who belong to the inferior class, or religion in this case. Having a Star of David on the flag is not a OTDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12284266882043971891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-61184117168350169272010-02-12T05:23:32.531-05:002010-02-12T05:23:32.531-05:00I certainly agree that Western States have been mo...I certainly agree that Western States have been moving away from the nation-state model for the past few decades and there are many on the left who reject the nation-state as inherently racist. This puts Israel in a difficult position. Now here is where the targeted demonization comes in; it is unjust to single Israel out as a nation-state when countries like France still maintain elements of a Izgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-39790342705677018602010-02-12T03:16:01.563-05:002010-02-12T03:16:01.563-05:00>Calling Israel a "Jewish state" does...>Calling Israel a "Jewish state" does not imply a menace to other peoples. "Apartheid" implied segregation, an upper and lower class people. <br /><br />I see. There is no inequality in Israel. Why there are illegal Jewish settlements, military outposts and exclusive highways, and why Israel is constantly in violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention and UN Security CouncilOff the Derechhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01531816450654963657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-45049133276704911552010-02-12T02:32:54.225-05:002010-02-12T02:32:54.225-05:00OTD, I think he said Judaism is an ethnicity/cultu...OTD, I think he said Judaism is an ethnicity/culture in response to one of your comments on the last post. He is pointing out that comparing the Jewish state to the French state is a legitimate analogy. Pointing out the Judaism is an ethnicity/nationality is a matter of scholarly debate over the past century or so, and while it doesn't help to mitigate discrimination against non-Jews in Alex Howiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00481915754900050766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-63366277066171887702010-02-12T01:56:34.647-05:002010-02-12T01:56:34.647-05:00Thanks for the link.
One quick point: how does it...Thanks for the link.<br /><br />One quick point: how does it help your case that Judaism is also an ethnicity/culture? Countries have been doing everything they can the last few decades to distance themselves form discrimination of any kind, and how does saying Judaism is an ethnicity as well as a religion mitigate discrimination against non-Jews? It just doesn't register.<br /><br />OfficialOff the Derechhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01531816450654963657noreply@blogger.com