tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post7684747464974988266..comments2023-10-06T11:13:20.836-04:00Comments on Izgad: Are Messianic Movements Doomed to Failure?Izgadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-33041644568030664662010-04-12T16:32:38.314-04:002010-04-12T16:32:38.314-04:00check your email.
you are not just an historian b...check your email.<br /><br />you are not just an historian but a Jew. As a jew living in a pre-eschatological world you can say with confidence "All pretenders to the Messianic office to this point have been false without exception".<br /><br />You should also be as confident of the ultimate arrival of a true Moshiakh and yearning for that end-period of history. Otherwise..per The Bray of Fundiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552912825252813495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-69284961759819743662010-04-12T15:52:12.499-04:002010-04-12T15:52:12.499-04:00As a historian, I am not in a position to comment ...As a historian, I am not in a position to comment as to whether a Messiah was false or not. I can talk about messianic claimants, whether they fit into various traditional understandings of the Messiah and if they succeeded in any way. I have no knowledge of God and his messianic plans and so have to keep silent on that. <br /><br />What quote are you referring to?Izgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-51645735163181722942010-04-12T15:10:32.470-04:002010-04-12T15:10:32.470-04:00They are not studies in failure but in falsehood. ...They are not studies in failure but in falsehood. The miraculous history of our exodus will repeat itself when the true anointed one appears.<br /><br />I'm sorry but this post is thisclose to qefirah. With a kind of hard-bolied you imply rationalism that Moshiakh will <i>never</i> come and recall to me an infamous quote from Professor Yeshayahu Lebovitz.The Bray of Fundiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552912825252813495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-58072820302966445572010-04-11T21:04:15.870-04:002010-04-11T21:04:15.870-04:00I discussed Christianity earlier (http://izgad.blo...I discussed Christianity earlier (http://izgad.blogspot.com/2010/02/turn-toward-messianism-part-ii.html) and its two sided relationship with its own messianic beginnings. I think the jury is still out on Lubavitch and particularly Lubavitch messianism. I brought up the example of the Fatmid dynasty in Islam as a situation where a movement achieves political success even while failing in Izgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-46425428662463392932010-04-11T20:54:01.121-04:002010-04-11T20:54:01.121-04:00Here's something obvious: Chrisianity is a mes...Here's something obvious: Chrisianity is a messianic religion and, although troubled, is in no danger of failing. Neither is Lubavitch at this point either, for that matter.Garnel Ironheartnoreply@blogger.com