tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post7845385919808750124..comments2023-10-06T11:13:20.836-04:00Comments on Izgad: The Utilitarian Logic of Killing Ben ShapiroIzgadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-48769181906520111342017-11-08T19:33:33.526-05:002017-11-08T19:33:33.526-05:00This argument hinges on the theoretical that Ben S...This argument hinges on the theoretical that Ben Shapiro is planning on murdering some LGBTQs, which I am pretty sure is not something he plans on doing. Speech is not equal to this either. This would not be an act of self defense. It does contradict rule-based Utilitarianism, at least according to one of the fathers of it. This is a direct quote from him.<br /><br />The ethics also do play a Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16056733922788482160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-61914175609665736392017-11-07T22:34:34.822-05:002017-11-07T22:34:34.822-05:00I am talking about people getting killed. Let us i...I am talking about people getting killed. Let us imagine, that Shapiro was planning on murdering some LGBTQs. I assume you would agree that it would be ok to kill him first. Under standard utilitarianism, there is no difference between intentionally killing someone and an action that happens to result in death. This lack of concern with means is one of the things that distinguish utilitarianism Izgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-83467540301758399522017-11-06T20:38:42.302-05:002017-11-06T20:38:42.302-05:00Then to give you an answer from a Utilitarianism p...Then to give you an answer from a Utilitarianism perspective:<br /><br />According to Mills, when asked with the question, "Does utilitarianism require us to kill such people who are the 'cause of no good to any human being, of cruel physical and moral suffering to several'", Mill says no, his point being that nobody's life would be safe if people were allowed to kill othersAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16056733922788482160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-5244730763545551122017-10-30T22:34:33.796-04:002017-10-30T22:34:33.796-04:001. The Talmud does assume that non-Jews are human ...1. The Talmud does assume that non-Jews are human and are subject to ethical considerations. More importantly, do you doubt that whatever game you want to play, whatever quote you want to take out of context, I would be able to apply the same "logic" to demonstrate that your group does not believe that non-members are not human?<br /><br />2. Are you allowed to kill a man running at youIzgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-3003576905155896902017-10-30T21:22:43.879-04:002017-10-30T21:22:43.879-04:00There are so many things wrong with this:
1. Acco...There are so many things wrong with this:<br /><br />1. According to the Talmudic doctrine, non-Jews are not human.<br />2. It is never ok to kill, not even in the Utilitarian universe. You are only looking at one 'possible' facet. What if Ben Shapiro funds a cure for cancer in the future? You cannot argue on a theoretical, and you definitely cannot justify on the grounds of a theoreticalAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16056733922788482160noreply@blogger.com