tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post915559938405045739..comments2023-10-06T11:13:20.836-04:00Comments on Izgad: A Libertarian KahanistIzgadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-21631087444937901542010-01-25T23:32:24.723-05:002010-01-25T23:32:24.723-05:00The conclusion that would come out of my understan...The conclusion that would come out of my understanding of the situation for blacks in mid 20th century America is that yes America is a flawed country in which they are not being given equal right. That being said it is still possible for them to be patriotic Americans and identify with the American narrative. Whatever flaws this government has it still gives us a process through which we can Izgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-59245081015812648452010-01-25T12:56:54.204-05:002010-01-25T12:56:54.204-05:00>Brown versus Board of Education was useful eve...>Brown versus Board of Education was useful even if the South ignored it because it tipped the legal balance against segregation.<br /><br />Gee, that's great. But isn't an America with an observed Brown v. Board of Ed better than an America with just the later possibility of a Brown? It sounds an awful lot like you would have told Brown et al to cool their jets because as long as theyVox Populinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-10177374848250565372010-01-25T08:53:16.417-05:002010-01-25T08:53:16.417-05:00Brown versus Board of Education was useful even if...Brown versus Board of Education was useful even if the South ignored it because it tipped the legal balance against segregation. Now it was the segregationists who had to ignore the laws on the books or at least dance around them. The good thing about liberal democracy is not that it will always act according to its own principles, but that it sets up a system in which those injustices can be Izgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-27170536480319378302010-01-24T20:36:01.081-05:002010-01-24T20:36:01.081-05:00I still don't understand. Either people have a...I still don't understand. Either people have an entitlement to be treated equally or they don't. Should African-Americans back in the 50s and 60s just given up because they enjoyed a higher quality of living than in the Congo?<br /><br />>Whether this ruling is obeyed in practice is another story.<br /><br />No, it's not. It's the same story. Having a law that is not obeyed is Vox Populinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-50353744723384191442010-01-22T11:45:58.388-05:002010-01-22T11:45:58.388-05:00The Israeli Supreme Court has ruled that it is ill...The Israeli Supreme Court has ruled that it is illegal to discriminate against Arabs in terms of selling land. Whether this ruling is obeyed in practice is another story. Family relations are a way that Arabs can get citizenship. I know this happens a lot with people from Gaza or the West Bank marrying someone in Israel proper and getting citizenship. I am not claiming that if I were an Israeli Izgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-6187342977968970992010-01-22T11:29:34.554-05:002010-01-22T11:29:34.554-05:00>and recognize that it is a rare thing to live ...>and recognize that it is a rare thing to live in a country that can both offer meaningful physical protection and does not attempt to interfere with your life and be grateful. <br /><br />But it does interfere. It interferes with your ability to own property, to elect meaningful representation, to participate in the public sphere, to sponsor your family for immigration, etc.<br /><br />>Vox Populinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-34231572405559009372010-01-22T11:19:57.303-05:002010-01-22T11:19:57.303-05:00My apologies. I guess I misread the flow of your ...My apologies. I guess I misread the flow of your post.Mordechai Y. Scherhttp://www.kolberamah.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-30623554911756939132010-01-22T10:31:46.142-05:002010-01-22T10:31:46.142-05:00Correct that is not the position of the late Rabbi...Correct that is not the position of the late Rabbi Meir Kahane. I was explaining my position in contrast to that of Kahanist ideology, which would place religious nationalist ideological weight on Jewish Statehood and not just pragmatic value.Izgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-81898119158578643362010-01-22T10:24:44.422-05:002010-01-22T10:24:44.422-05:00First you mention Rav Meir Kahane, then you say:
...First you mention Rav Meir Kahane, then you say:<br /><br />"As a minority group, Jews are unlikely to ever be on equal footing with the majority culture. Therefore it is a reasonable solution to suggest that Jews immigrate to one place where they can be the majority and set up their own Jewish society and State. I will take a Jewish State in Israel over one in Uganda. This is not really anyMordechai Y. Scherhttp://www.kolberamah.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-74725135485890495452010-01-21T20:02:00.442-05:002010-01-21T20:02:00.442-05:00I would marvel at the absurdity of the situation t...I would marvel at the absurdity of the situation that I was the beneficiary of a group of Christian extremists who desired to set up their own theocracy, laugh, and recognize that it is a rare thing to live in a country that can both offer meaningful physical protection and does not attempt to interfere with your life and be grateful. The only reason why I would object is if I believe that I can Izgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-63739059595078010812010-01-21T18:43:57.681-05:002010-01-21T18:43:57.681-05:00>If I can sit and smile through the Lord's ...>If I can sit and smile through the Lord's Prayer and still be a patriotic American then Israeli Arabs can sit and smile through Hatikvah and be patriotic Israelis.<br /><br />Not the same thing.<br /><br />Or rather, that is the same thing, but it's not what the current situation is.<br /><br />To be a patriotic Israeli is to be a Zionist. No one has yet invented a form of Israeli Vox Populinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-9222091473973809882010-01-21T14:11:11.033-05:002010-01-21T14:11:11.033-05:00I live here in the United States and I have no obj...I live here in the United States and I have no objections to it being a Christian state, complete with Christmas trees and crosses in every public school classroom. As long as I am not subject to any direct physical coercion. <br /><br />(http://izgad.blogspot.com/2007/12/some-good-christmas-tolerance.html)<br /><br />If I can sit and smile through the Lord's Prayer and still be a patriotic Izgadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869626126435460209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6543853523791774463.post-10105636431034381412010-01-21T12:27:44.377-05:002010-01-21T12:27:44.377-05:00Personally, I don't see how you can support Ka...Personally, I don't see how you can support Kahanism in any form.<br /><br />It's by no means certain that ethnic nationalism and democracy can coexist. Looking at Israel, for example, there are many substantive differences even between the rights of Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs, much less between the rights of Israeli Jews and Palestinian Arabs.Vox Populinoreply@blogger.com